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	<description>No to Kettle Island.  Yes to Healthy Communities.</description>
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		<title>Comment on No integrated transportation plan a testament to NCC&#8217;s failure by ccredico</title>
		<link>http://www.stopthebridge.org/2012/01/no-integrated-transportation-plan-a-testament-to-nccs-failure/comment-page-1/#comment-6549</link>
		<dc:creator>ccredico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2012 21:46:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks to me as though the NCC is building its arsenal to defend what&#039;s sure to be a very controversial decision.

According to the MERX posting, here&#039;s what the NCC is looking for with this RFP:

&quot;An experienced and highly skilled bilingual (English and French) Fairness Auditor will be engaged by the NCC to provide evaluation process Fairness Auditor Services. The primary skills needed from the Fairness Auditor are: an established credibility in adjudicating broad questions of fairness; and experience in decision support systems and in the selection of transportation alternatives.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks to me as though the NCC is building its arsenal to defend what&#8217;s sure to be a very controversial decision.</p>
<p>According to the MERX posting, here&#8217;s what the NCC is looking for with this RFP:</p>
<p>&#8220;An experienced and highly skilled bilingual (English and French) Fairness Auditor will be engaged by the NCC to provide evaluation process Fairness Auditor Services. The primary skills needed from the Fairness Auditor are: an established credibility in adjudicating broad questions of fairness; and experience in decision support systems and in the selection of transportation alternatives.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on No integrated transportation plan a testament to NCC&#8217;s failure by Charles Siegel</title>
		<link>http://www.stopthebridge.org/2012/01/no-integrated-transportation-plan-a-testament-to-nccs-failure/comment-page-1/#comment-6547</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles Siegel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2012 16:47:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry to go off topic (from &quot;No integrated transportation plan...&quot;) but I saw something in yesterday&#039;s &quot;La Presse&quot; (Montreal)that left me puzzled. 

In the A section of the paper on January 10, the CCN published a request for proposals for a &quot;vérifcateur de l&#039;équité du processus d&#039;évaluation&quot; (Evaluation Process Fairness Auditor) for the Interprovincial Crossings study. 

Does anyone know what that is all about? 

I could&#039;t find the advertisement in the Citizen, but perhaps I just didn&#039;t look in the right place. The RFP is on MERX (ref.no. TH01).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to go off topic (from &#8220;No integrated transportation plan&#8230;&#8221;) but I saw something in yesterday&#8217;s &#8220;La Presse&#8221; (Montreal)that left me puzzled. </p>
<p>In the A section of the paper on January 10, the CCN published a request for proposals for a &#8220;vérifcateur de l&#8217;équité du processus d&#8217;évaluation&#8221; (Evaluation Process Fairness Auditor) for the Interprovincial Crossings study. </p>
<p>Does anyone know what that is all about? </p>
<p>I could&#8217;t find the advertisement in the Citizen, but perhaps I just didn&#8217;t look in the right place. The RFP is on MERX (ref.no. TH01).</p>
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		<title>Comment on Smart Growth, Dumb Bridge by Dan Farrell</title>
		<link>http://www.stopthebridge.org/2011/11/smart-growth-dumb-bridge/comment-page-1/#comment-6397</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Farrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Nov 2011 18:52:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel that we may be battling against a behind-closed-doors decision that was made long ago. The choice of consultants Genivar and Mr Taylor to oversee the selection process does not fill me with confidence that a choice will be made on rational objective grounds. Perhaps the best option may be to challenge the process itself rather than explain and re-explain why the best option is not Kettle island--that should have been obvious from the outset.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel that we may be battling against a behind-closed-doors decision that was made long ago. The choice of consultants Genivar and Mr Taylor to oversee the selection process does not fill me with confidence that a choice will be made on rational objective grounds. Perhaps the best option may be to challenge the process itself rather than explain and re-explain why the best option is not Kettle island&#8211;that should have been obvious from the outset.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Smart Growth, Dumb Bridge by Martin Gratton</title>
		<link>http://www.stopthebridge.org/2011/11/smart-growth-dumb-bridge/comment-page-1/#comment-6393</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Gratton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Nov 2011 12:50:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I completely agree:  A solution that (a) doesn&#039;t solve the truck problem on King Edward, while (b) encouraging more car traffic into the downtown and (c) increasing urban sprawl on the Gatineau side, IS JUST SIMPLY NOT THE SMART SOLUTION THAT WE ALL SEEK.

The NCC and its provincial partners should go back to the drawing board, and really think this thing through, for the sake of our National Capital Region.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely agree:  A solution that (a) doesn&#8217;t solve the truck problem on King Edward, while (b) encouraging more car traffic into the downtown and (c) increasing urban sprawl on the Gatineau side, IS JUST SIMPLY NOT THE SMART SOLUTION THAT WE ALL SEEK.</p>
<p>The NCC and its provincial partners should go back to the drawing board, and really think this thing through, for the sake of our National Capital Region.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Missed the consultations?  Submit comments online. by J.A. Mihalovic</title>
		<link>http://www.stopthebridge.org/2011/06/missed-the-consultations-submit-comments-online/comment-page-1/#comment-6391</link>
		<dc:creator>J.A. Mihalovic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2011 15:47:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The tunnel by-pass is something I would have to agree on; from the Lees circle to the bridge. At Lees, rolling stock would have a choice: Ottawa centre or Gatineau centre. At Foreign Affairs, the choice would be Ottawa centre, 417 East or West. No citizen wants to increase by-passing traffic or trucking in their own neighborhood, and to have it imposed on them would like it less so. It just makes more sense to bury four kilometers of traffic and trucking underground, where it is already, rather than create more problems by moving part of it elsewhere. Detractors of the tunnel option should consider that a good job is a job well done, and paying twice is the consequence of cheap solutions. Also, a tunnel would make Ottawa look smart on Google maps.

J.A.M.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The tunnel by-pass is something I would have to agree on; from the Lees circle to the bridge. At Lees, rolling stock would have a choice: Ottawa centre or Gatineau centre. At Foreign Affairs, the choice would be Ottawa centre, 417 East or West. No citizen wants to increase by-passing traffic or trucking in their own neighborhood, and to have it imposed on them would like it less so. It just makes more sense to bury four kilometers of traffic and trucking underground, where it is already, rather than create more problems by moving part of it elsewhere. Detractors of the tunnel option should consider that a good job is a job well done, and paying twice is the consequence of cheap solutions. Also, a tunnel would make Ottawa look smart on Google maps.</p>
<p>J.A.M.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Missed the consultations?  Submit comments online. by Don P</title>
		<link>http://www.stopthebridge.org/2011/06/missed-the-consultations-submit-comments-online/comment-page-1/#comment-6367</link>
		<dc:creator>Don P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 18:56:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Eric has drawn the right conclusion. They are trying to address 2 perceived problems: trucks on King Edward and Gatineau car commuting times and one issue muddies thinking about the other. 

First, we still don&#039;t have good information on where trucks using King Edward are coming from or going to. There is different information floating around about how many trucks using King Edward are local deliveries vs. passing through en route to Montreal or to the 416 and points west. Completion of Hwy 50 on the Quebec side would help a great deal to solve the origin-destination Montreal destination problem. A bridge in the west end would better serve the others. King Edward will still remain a truck route if only for local delivery. We still don&#039;t know  the scope of the problem we are trying to solve and we really don&#039;t know how much the King Edward problem can be alleviated by any of these proposed options.

King Edward truck traffic is only one piece of the puzzle although for some it has become the raison d&#039;etre for a bridge somewhere else. Fantasies abound of a future King Edward as an elegant truck free boulevard.  

Serious consideration should be given to a King Edward corridor tunnel or some variation on a tunnel along the lines of Rue Berri in downtown Montreal.  The Ontario government needs to step up to the plate to seriously address the truck problem where it exists and not rely on the NCC to transfer the problem to another corridor at minimal provincial and municipal cost. We shouldn&#039;t be distracted by bogus arguments about why a tunnel isn&#039;t feasible. Tunnels exist and function well in many cities of the world. 

Second, the pressure from Gatineau commuters for a bridge is understandable but short sighted. Corridor 5 is short term and short sighted because it fails to take into consideration future links to light rail and public transit on both sides of the river. It would dump heavy traffic into the most populated residential corridor of the three proposed and ad to gridlock on the 174 and 417.  It is short sighted because growth in the Gatineau sector is west around Alymer, not east. It is also short sighted if economic growth in the east end is considered desirable because by that criteria, the need for a cross river link is further east. Some growth is continuing in the east past Orleans and there appears to be interest on the Gatineau side to develop an industrial area around the airport and link it to Ontario side through the proposed corridor 7. 

This study should be stopped and rethought from a longer term urban development perspective integrating housing development, transit and economic development plans on both sides of the river.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Eric has drawn the right conclusion. They are trying to address 2 perceived problems: trucks on King Edward and Gatineau car commuting times and one issue muddies thinking about the other. </p>
<p>First, we still don&#8217;t have good information on where trucks using King Edward are coming from or going to. There is different information floating around about how many trucks using King Edward are local deliveries vs. passing through en route to Montreal or to the 416 and points west. Completion of Hwy 50 on the Quebec side would help a great deal to solve the origin-destination Montreal destination problem. A bridge in the west end would better serve the others. King Edward will still remain a truck route if only for local delivery. We still don&#8217;t know  the scope of the problem we are trying to solve and we really don&#8217;t know how much the King Edward problem can be alleviated by any of these proposed options.</p>
<p>King Edward truck traffic is only one piece of the puzzle although for some it has become the raison d&#8217;etre for a bridge somewhere else. Fantasies abound of a future King Edward as an elegant truck free boulevard.  </p>
<p>Serious consideration should be given to a King Edward corridor tunnel or some variation on a tunnel along the lines of Rue Berri in downtown Montreal.  The Ontario government needs to step up to the plate to seriously address the truck problem where it exists and not rely on the NCC to transfer the problem to another corridor at minimal provincial and municipal cost. We shouldn&#8217;t be distracted by bogus arguments about why a tunnel isn&#8217;t feasible. Tunnels exist and function well in many cities of the world. </p>
<p>Second, the pressure from Gatineau commuters for a bridge is understandable but short sighted. Corridor 5 is short term and short sighted because it fails to take into consideration future links to light rail and public transit on both sides of the river. It would dump heavy traffic into the most populated residential corridor of the three proposed and ad to gridlock on the 174 and 417.  It is short sighted because growth in the Gatineau sector is west around Alymer, not east. It is also short sighted if economic growth in the east end is considered desirable because by that criteria, the need for a cross river link is further east. Some growth is continuing in the east past Orleans and there appears to be interest on the Gatineau side to develop an industrial area around the airport and link it to Ontario side through the proposed corridor 7. </p>
<p>This study should be stopped and rethought from a longer term urban development perspective integrating housing development, transit and economic development plans on both sides of the river.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Missed the consultations?  Submit comments online. by John Forsey</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Forsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 17:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erich 

You have reached the correct conclusion.  None of the three corridors makes sense.  The NCC-led team is mired in 1950s thinking.  

Sustainable Solutions/solutions durables is a group encompassing communities from downtown to Orleans that shaere this view.  For more information look at the website http://www.ssd-ottawa.ca/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erich </p>
<p>You have reached the correct conclusion.  None of the three corridors makes sense.  The NCC-led team is mired in 1950s thinking.  </p>
<p>Sustainable Solutions/solutions durables is a group encompassing communities from downtown to Orleans that shaere this view.  For more information look at the website <a href="http://www.ssd-ottawa.ca/" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/www.ssd-ottawa.ca');" rel="nofollow">http://www.ssd-ottawa.ca/</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Missed the consultations?  Submit comments online. by Erich Ess</title>
		<link>http://www.stopthebridge.org/2011/06/missed-the-consultations-submit-comments-online/comment-page-1/#comment-6365</link>
		<dc:creator>Erich Ess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jun 2011 13:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank-you both ccredico and DM for your replies and the information. In reality then, none of the options seems to make sense. Both corridors 6 and 7 would feed trucks and traffic onto the 174 which is bursting at the seams as it is and will cause the split to be more of a nightmare. Given the thousands of commuters going back and forth from the far east end, I would actually think that more citizens would be impacted by the increased traffic flow and overflow into neighborhoods than those who live around option 5. My thinking had been, since the majority of the truck traffic is local and a great deal comes from the Walkley commercial/industrial area, that 5 would make logical sense as it would be a straight shot to the Quebec side without impacting the 174 or the split. 

Also, corridor six would cause the expropriation of about 80 homes and businesses on the Quebec side (including some of the oldest homes in Gatineau) as well as the destruction of a 19th century cemetery. As a Canadian, I find that completely unacceptable and would argue that such a move will impact people far more significantly (getting the family home torn down and being forced to move) than anyone in either of the other two options. 


I think that I have come to the conclusion that none of these corridors make sense. That the stated goals will not be met no matter what option is decided upon. I hope that they aren&#039;t simply building a bridge, for the sake of building a bridge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank-you both ccredico and DM for your replies and the information. In reality then, none of the options seems to make sense. Both corridors 6 and 7 would feed trucks and traffic onto the 174 which is bursting at the seams as it is and will cause the split to be more of a nightmare. Given the thousands of commuters going back and forth from the far east end, I would actually think that more citizens would be impacted by the increased traffic flow and overflow into neighborhoods than those who live around option 5. My thinking had been, since the majority of the truck traffic is local and a great deal comes from the Walkley commercial/industrial area, that 5 would make logical sense as it would be a straight shot to the Quebec side without impacting the 174 or the split. </p>
<p>Also, corridor six would cause the expropriation of about 80 homes and businesses on the Quebec side (including some of the oldest homes in Gatineau) as well as the destruction of a 19th century cemetery. As a Canadian, I find that completely unacceptable and would argue that such a move will impact people far more significantly (getting the family home torn down and being forced to move) than anyone in either of the other two options. </p>
<p>I think that I have come to the conclusion that none of these corridors make sense. That the stated goals will not be met no matter what option is decided upon. I hope that they aren&#8217;t simply building a bridge, for the sake of building a bridge.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Missed the consultations?  Submit comments online. by ccredico</title>
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		<dc:creator>ccredico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2011 18:57:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erich - Wouldn&#039;t you agree that the pollution, noise, and health hazards associated with a trucking route accommodating thousands of trucks a day should be kept far away from residential areas and communities?

The Kettle Island corridor would run within a stone&#039;s throw of nearly 7 kilometers of established, developed areas - most of which are residential.

For the other two options currently being considered, because the routes keep their distance from densely populated areas, the relative impact on people is far less.  So either of these options would impact far fewer people than Kettle Island.

Costs in Phase 1 were calculated to +/- 20%, as reported by the consultants.  The costing scores (higher scores indicate lower costs), which represented a combination of estimated capital and operating costs for the three corridors currently on the table were:

Option 5: 24.64 (Kettle Island)
Option 6: 24.74 (Lower Duck)
Option 7: 22.54 (Gatineau Airport)

So, the Phase 1 consultants concluded that, of the three options currently being considered, Option 7 is the highest cost alternative (it had the lowest score), Option 5 is slightly less expense, and Option 6 is the least expensive (being 0.4% more cost effective than Option 5).

But because this was all estimated to +/- 20% at best, it&#039;s safe to say, that each option would cost about the same amount to build.

And any perception that one alternative is more or less expensive than another is, at this point in the process, simply unsubstantiated.

I hope this helps you to understand some of the objective reasons as to why Kettle Island does not make the most sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erich &#8211; Wouldn&#8217;t you agree that the pollution, noise, and health hazards associated with a trucking route accommodating thousands of trucks a day should be kept far away from residential areas and communities?</p>
<p>The Kettle Island corridor would run within a stone&#8217;s throw of nearly 7 kilometers of established, developed areas &#8211; most of which are residential.</p>
<p>For the other two options currently being considered, because the routes keep their distance from densely populated areas, the relative impact on people is far less.  So either of these options would impact far fewer people than Kettle Island.</p>
<p>Costs in Phase 1 were calculated to +/- 20%, as reported by the consultants.  The costing scores (higher scores indicate lower costs), which represented a combination of estimated capital and operating costs for the three corridors currently on the table were:</p>
<p>Option 5: 24.64 (Kettle Island)<br />
Option 6: 24.74 (Lower Duck)<br />
Option 7: 22.54 (Gatineau Airport)</p>
<p>So, the Phase 1 consultants concluded that, of the three options currently being considered, Option 7 is the highest cost alternative (it had the lowest score), Option 5 is slightly less expense, and Option 6 is the least expensive (being 0.4% more cost effective than Option 5).</p>
<p>But because this was all estimated to +/- 20% at best, it&#8217;s safe to say, that each option would cost about the same amount to build.</p>
<p>And any perception that one alternative is more or less expensive than another is, at this point in the process, simply unsubstantiated.</p>
<p>I hope this helps you to understand some of the objective reasons as to why Kettle Island does not make the most sense.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Missed the consultations?  Submit comments online. by D M</title>
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		<dc:creator>D M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2011 18:42:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Erich Ess:

A route up Aviation Parkway will cut the East End in half.  This will further impede East West flow along Montreal and Ogilvie, which are already saturated during rush hours.  The length of lights required to get trains of trucks through will be sufficient to delay commuters in cross-town traffic. Depending on where the exits off Aviation are located, you may also cause problems for Hemlock which is already at capacity (despite being a residential street).

The impact on the split will also be terrible.  The split is already bad and there is not sufficient space to create a proper four-way interchange.

In short, not only will corridor 5 impact communities, but it will impact city-wide traffic, by complicating east-west traffic flows and the split.

The balkanization of the East End (which will be cut by major thoroughfares and the loss of the only North-South greenspace corridor between the Vanier Parkway and the Greenbelt should be added to the regional impacts.

Add to this the loss of pedestrian and bicycle accessibility to the Ottawa River Parkway and institutions like the Montfort Hospital, Cite Collegiale, and the Canadian Aviation Museum, only complicates the situation further.  

This is not just Nimbyism.  Corridor 5 is a bad choice for the city as a whole.  It will impact traffic in the whole of the East End.

Finally, Corridor 5 will contravene the city&#039;s own efforts at densification.  The result will be urban sprawl on the Quebec side for new dormitory communities.  This will add to Ottawa&#039;s traffic problems, not mitigate them.

I would not underplay by any means the impact that a corridor 5 bridge would have on communities, but it will also adversely affect city-wide transportation in the whole of the East End.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Erich Ess:</p>
<p>A route up Aviation Parkway will cut the East End in half.  This will further impede East West flow along Montreal and Ogilvie, which are already saturated during rush hours.  The length of lights required to get trains of trucks through will be sufficient to delay commuters in cross-town traffic. Depending on where the exits off Aviation are located, you may also cause problems for Hemlock which is already at capacity (despite being a residential street).</p>
<p>The impact on the split will also be terrible.  The split is already bad and there is not sufficient space to create a proper four-way interchange.</p>
<p>In short, not only will corridor 5 impact communities, but it will impact city-wide traffic, by complicating east-west traffic flows and the split.</p>
<p>The balkanization of the East End (which will be cut by major thoroughfares and the loss of the only North-South greenspace corridor between the Vanier Parkway and the Greenbelt should be added to the regional impacts.</p>
<p>Add to this the loss of pedestrian and bicycle accessibility to the Ottawa River Parkway and institutions like the Montfort Hospital, Cite Collegiale, and the Canadian Aviation Museum, only complicates the situation further.  </p>
<p>This is not just Nimbyism.  Corridor 5 is a bad choice for the city as a whole.  It will impact traffic in the whole of the East End.</p>
<p>Finally, Corridor 5 will contravene the city&#8217;s own efforts at densification.  The result will be urban sprawl on the Quebec side for new dormitory communities.  This will add to Ottawa&#8217;s traffic problems, not mitigate them.</p>
<p>I would not underplay by any means the impact that a corridor 5 bridge would have on communities, but it will also adversely affect city-wide transportation in the whole of the East End.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Missed the consultations?  Submit comments online. by Dan Farrell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Farrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2011 17:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have received a reply stating that my inquiry was read, but as yet no confirmation that my form has been submitted for consideration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have received a reply stating that my inquiry was read, but as yet no confirmation that my form has been submitted for consideration.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Missed the consultations?  Submit comments online. by Erich Ess</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erich Ess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2011 14:56:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Other than nimby-ism, what are the concrete objections to using the corridor which has been set aside on both sides of the river for thje past three decades or so for its intended purpose? If you look at the current three options objectively, the corridor five option seems to make the most sense in terms of stated goals for a new bridge and it would impact far fewer people and would be the least costly for tax payers. I am truly curious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Other than nimby-ism, what are the concrete objections to using the corridor which has been set aside on both sides of the river for thje past three decades or so for its intended purpose? If you look at the current three options objectively, the corridor five option seems to make the most sense in terms of stated goals for a new bridge and it would impact far fewer people and would be the least costly for tax payers. I am truly curious.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Missed the consultations?  Submit comments online. by ccredico</title>
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		<dc:creator>ccredico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2011 14:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a &#039;Register&#039; button on the online form, after the boxes soliciting your input.  Presumably, clicking that submits the form to the consultants.

If you are unsure about whether or not your feedback was received, send an email directly to  info.crossings@genivar.com asking them if they received it, and expressing your confusion.

You may also want to CC the NCC at info@ncc-ccn.ca.

Let us know what you find out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a &#8216;Register&#8217; button on the online form, after the boxes soliciting your input.  Presumably, clicking that submits the form to the consultants.</p>
<p>If you are unsure about whether or not your feedback was received, send an email directly to  <a href="mailto:info.crossings@genivar.com">info.crossings@genivar.com</a> asking them if they received it, and expressing your confusion.</p>
<p>You may also want to CC the NCC at <a href="mailto:info@ncc-ccn.ca">info@ncc-ccn.ca</a>.</p>
<p>Let us know what you find out.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Missed the consultations?  Submit comments online. by Dan Farrell</title>
		<link>http://www.stopthebridge.org/2011/06/missed-the-consultations-submit-comments-online/comment-page-1/#comment-6359</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Farrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2011 12:16:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I completed the form provided on the website, however there was no link provided with the form to submit my comments. How can I find out if the Genivar group has actually received my comments? What good is the do-it-yourself kit if nobody gets the answers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completed the form provided on the website, however there was no link provided with the form to submit my comments. How can I find out if the Genivar group has actually received my comments? What good is the do-it-yourself kit if nobody gets the answers?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Participate in Phase 2B consultations to express your concerns by D M</title>
		<link>http://www.stopthebridge.org/2011/06/participate-in-phase-2b-consultations-to-express-your-concerns/comment-page-1/#comment-6355</link>
		<dc:creator>D M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2011 18:16:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought it was interesting that the consultations are either being carried out during work hours (9am-12pm) or at a location that is actually quite far from the community affected by the corridor 5 option (Tenth Line Road).

As I may not be able to attend the meetings, I submitted some comments in writing to the folks at Genivar who are organizing the consultation.

I stressed the impact that the corridor 5 option would have on communities as well as on East-West traffic on Montreal, Ogilvie, and Hemlock. I also highlighted that having a connection between the 417/174 and the bridge on city streets (i.e. with traffic lights) is a silly thing to have and will only result in a problem similar to the Rideau problem in the East End.  One thing I neglected to add is that the Island Park bridge in the West End is already a nightmare during rush hour due to the lack of appropriate access roads -- so just imagine a similar situation in the East end compounded by truck traffic!

I copied my MP, MLA, City Councillor and Premier McGuinty (don&#039;t forget we have Ontario elections coming up).

Community Value Planning Workshop – Kettle Island Corridor
June 14, 2011
Ray Friel Recreation Complex
1585 Tenth Line Rd
7:00 pm to 10:00 pm

World Café-Ottawa
June 18, 2011
Cyrville Community Centre
4355 Halmont Dr
Ottawa, ON
9:00 am to 12:00 pm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought it was interesting that the consultations are either being carried out during work hours (9am-12pm) or at a location that is actually quite far from the community affected by the corridor 5 option (Tenth Line Road).</p>
<p>As I may not be able to attend the meetings, I submitted some comments in writing to the folks at Genivar who are organizing the consultation.</p>
<p>I stressed the impact that the corridor 5 option would have on communities as well as on East-West traffic on Montreal, Ogilvie, and Hemlock. I also highlighted that having a connection between the 417/174 and the bridge on city streets (i.e. with traffic lights) is a silly thing to have and will only result in a problem similar to the Rideau problem in the East End.  One thing I neglected to add is that the Island Park bridge in the West End is already a nightmare during rush hour due to the lack of appropriate access roads &#8212; so just imagine a similar situation in the East end compounded by truck traffic!</p>
<p>I copied my MP, MLA, City Councillor and Premier McGuinty (don&#8217;t forget we have Ontario elections coming up).</p>
<p>Community Value Planning Workshop – Kettle Island Corridor<br />
June 14, 2011<br />
Ray Friel Recreation Complex<br />
1585 Tenth Line Rd<br />
7:00 pm to 10:00 pm</p>
<p>World Café-Ottawa<br />
June 18, 2011<br />
Cyrville Community Centre<br />
4355 Halmont Dr<br />
Ottawa, ON<br />
9:00 am to 12:00 pm</p>
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		<title>Comment on Participate in Phase 2B consultations to express your concerns by Charles Siegel</title>
		<link>http://www.stopthebridge.org/2011/06/participate-in-phase-2b-consultations-to-express-your-concerns/comment-page-1/#comment-6354</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles Siegel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2011 15:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>L have read quickly through the obligatory description of the project on the Canadian Environmental Assessment Registry (which is maintained by the Canadian Environmental Assessment Agency. [Link to the description on the CEAR:  http://www.ceaa.gc.ca/050/details-eng.cfm?evaluation=52629 ] It neglects to mention several of the neighborhoods bordering on the Aviation Parkway.

I sent the following note to the person at the NCC who is listed as a contact:
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&quot;Ms. Bédard,

I have just read through the Notice of Commencement for &quot;Interprovincial Crossings in the National Capital Region,Ottawa, Ontario/Quebec&quot; (CEAR #10-01-52629).

Under &quot;Human Populations Potentially Affected&quot;, the Forbes, Cummings, Cyrville and Rockcliffe Mews neighbourhoods are not mentioned. These are among the neighbourhoods bordering most closely the Kettle Island Corridor (corridor 5); Forbes and Cummings may contain some of  the densest populations and are extemely close to the Aviation Parkway.

Thank you for your attention,

Charles Siegel
Ottawa, Ontario</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>L have read quickly through the obligatory description of the project on the Canadian Environmental Assessment Registry (which is maintained by the Canadian Environmental Assessment Agency. [Link to the description on the CEAR:  <a href="http://www.ceaa.gc.ca/050/details-eng.cfm?evaluation=52629" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/www.ceaa.gc.ca');" rel="nofollow">http://www.ceaa.gc.ca/050/details-eng.cfm?evaluation=52629</a> ] It neglects to mention several of the neighborhoods bordering on the Aviation Parkway.</p>
<p>I sent the following note to the person at the NCC who is listed as a contact:<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;<br />
&#8220;Ms. Bédard,</p>
<p>I have just read through the Notice of Commencement for &#8220;Interprovincial Crossings in the National Capital Region,Ottawa, Ontario/Quebec&#8221; (CEAR #10-01-52629).</p>
<p>Under &#8220;Human Populations Potentially Affected&#8221;, the Forbes, Cummings, Cyrville and Rockcliffe Mews neighbourhoods are not mentioned. These are among the neighbourhoods bordering most closely the Kettle Island Corridor (corridor 5); Forbes and Cummings may contain some of  the densest populations and are extemely close to the Aviation Parkway.</p>
<p>Thank you for your attention,</p>
<p>Charles Siegel<br />
Ottawa, Ontario</p>
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		<title>Comment on Participate in Phase 2B consultations to express your concerns by Charles Siegel</title>
		<link>http://www.stopthebridge.org/2011/06/participate-in-phase-2b-consultations-to-express-your-concerns/comment-page-1/#comment-6352</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles Siegel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2011 01:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In all honesty, I have to admit that today (13 June) I received an an acknowledgement of registration, which included the address of the workshop (see my complaint earlier).

Still don&#039;t know why the workshop concerning the Kettle Island Corridor is on the far side of Orleans rather than in or near the affected neighborhoods, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In all honesty, I have to admit that today (13 June) I received an an acknowledgement of registration, which included the address of the workshop (see my complaint earlier).</p>
<p>Still don&#8217;t know why the workshop concerning the Kettle Island Corridor is on the far side of Orleans rather than in or near the affected neighborhoods, though.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Participate in Phase 2B consultations to express your concerns by Dan Farrell</title>
		<link>http://www.stopthebridge.org/2011/06/participate-in-phase-2b-consultations-to-express-your-concerns/comment-page-1/#comment-6351</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Farrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jun 2011 19:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Others have probably voiced this concern. I cannot believe that the Roche consortium can be trusted to provide an objective study given the previous sham consultation chaired by Ken Taylor. At first glance it looks as if we are to be treated to another public relations exercise to sell a decision that has already been reached behind closed doors. 
A truly objective committee with no affiliation to provincial or municipal governments should have been selected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Others have probably voiced this concern. I cannot believe that the Roche consortium can be trusted to provide an objective study given the previous sham consultation chaired by Ken Taylor. At first glance it looks as if we are to be treated to another public relations exercise to sell a decision that has already been reached behind closed doors.<br />
A truly objective committee with no affiliation to provincial or municipal governments should have been selected.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ottawa mayoral candidates state positions on an East End Bridge by Marie Glinski</title>
		<link>http://www.stopthebridge.org/2010/10/ottawa-mayoral-candidates/comment-page-1/#comment-6350</link>
		<dc:creator>Marie Glinski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jun 2011 15:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is Aylmer - Kanata not an option for a bridge? Commuters travelling to Silicon Valley North (Kanata) would be very pleased to reduce their commute by 2 hours or so.

There are so many bridges focused on east end or downtown core. Should Ottawa not focus on re-leaving traffic from the core and allowing ever growing communities like Kanata to absorb some traffic?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is Aylmer &#8211; Kanata not an option for a bridge? Commuters travelling to Silicon Valley North (Kanata) would be very pleased to reduce their commute by 2 hours or so.</p>
<p>There are so many bridges focused on east end or downtown core. Should Ottawa not focus on re-leaving traffic from the core and allowing ever growing communities like Kanata to absorb some traffic?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Participate in Phase 2B consultations to express your concerns by Charles Siegel</title>
		<link>http://www.stopthebridge.org/2011/06/participate-in-phase-2b-consultations-to-express-your-concerns/comment-page-1/#comment-6349</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles Siegel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jun 2011 20:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tried today (12 June) to register for the Value Planning Workshop for corridor 5 (no, the name/location of the corridor isn&#039;t mentioned on the NCR page). 

Registration resulted in a very interesting page thanking me for &quot;registering your e-mail address to receive Interprovincial Crossings Environmental Assessment Study project updates&quot;. No mention of the workshop nor of its location! It seems like they don&#039;t really want to hear from us. What a surprise.

Its always hard to distinguish purposeful ignorance from simple incompetence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tried today (12 June) to register for the Value Planning Workshop for corridor 5 (no, the name/location of the corridor isn&#8217;t mentioned on the NCR page). </p>
<p>Registration resulted in a very interesting page thanking me for &#8220;registering your e-mail address to receive Interprovincial Crossings Environmental Assessment Study project updates&#8221;. No mention of the workshop nor of its location! It seems like they don&#8217;t really want to hear from us. What a surprise.</p>
<p>Its always hard to distinguish purposeful ignorance from simple incompetence.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Phase 2B contract controversially awarded to Roche-NCE by Ian Bron</title>
		<link>http://www.stopthebridge.org/2011/04/phase-2b-contract-controversially-awarded-to-roche-nce/comment-page-1/#comment-6334</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Bron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Apr 2011 16:49:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At the outset, I have to declare a conflict of interest in this issue as I&#039;m a resident of the area. However, a an accountability activist, I have to say that this whole process has lacked the basic requirements for accountability. There has been little transparency, with the shaping of the project conducted largely behind doors and without true participation from Ottawa communities. Backroom deals are rumoured to have occurred. As to who benefits, the benefit for downtown truck traffic has been debunked. So who then remains? With a $700 million project at stake, construction companies can&#039;t help but want this to proceed.

With all communities in Ottawa now opposed to a bridge, it is shameful that this process is forging on in the way it is. Frankly, it&#039;s undemocratic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the outset, I have to declare a conflict of interest in this issue as I&#8217;m a resident of the area. However, a an accountability activist, I have to say that this whole process has lacked the basic requirements for accountability. There has been little transparency, with the shaping of the project conducted largely behind doors and without true participation from Ottawa communities. Backroom deals are rumoured to have occurred. As to who benefits, the benefit for downtown truck traffic has been debunked. So who then remains? With a $700 million project at stake, construction companies can&#8217;t help but want this to proceed.</p>
<p>With all communities in Ottawa now opposed to a bridge, it is shameful that this process is forging on in the way it is. Frankly, it&#8217;s undemocratic.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Phase 2B contract controversially awarded to Roche-NCE by Richard van der Jagt</title>
		<link>http://www.stopthebridge.org/2011/04/phase-2b-contract-controversially-awarded-to-roche-nce/comment-page-1/#comment-6332</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard van der Jagt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Apr 2011 00:58:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it is clear that the mandate for the consultants should not be to look for a &quot;corridor&quot; but to seek the most efficient and environmentally friendly method of routing traffic around Ottawa. This should include. Consideration of the ring road as well as subways and monorail etc.
Many people have much to gain and lose in this process for generations to come.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it is clear that the mandate for the consultants should not be to look for a &#8220;corridor&#8221; but to seek the most efficient and environmentally friendly method of routing traffic around Ottawa. This should include. Consideration of the ring road as well as subways and monorail etc.<br />
Many people have much to gain and lose in this process for generations to come.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ottawa mayoral candidates state positions on an East End Bridge by John Savage</title>
		<link>http://www.stopthebridge.org/2010/10/ottawa-mayoral-candidates/comment-page-1/#comment-6197</link>
		<dc:creator>John Savage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Oct 2010 15:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The waters around Kettle Island are ideal for recreational use, an urban oasis in the midst of an expanding city.  Paddlers of all kinds need to get out and use this area and reclaim it as their own. Sir John A. Macdonald actively promoted rowing and canoeing on this stretch of river.  The more people who paddle it, the greater the number who will want to save it.  A bridge will destroy our last section of river that remains somewhat natural, that is a host to wildlife of all kinds that use Kettle Island as a nature corridor between Greens Creek and Pointe-Gatineau.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The waters around Kettle Island are ideal for recreational use, an urban oasis in the midst of an expanding city.  Paddlers of all kinds need to get out and use this area and reclaim it as their own. Sir John A. Macdonald actively promoted rowing and canoeing on this stretch of river.  The more people who paddle it, the greater the number who will want to save it.  A bridge will destroy our last section of river that remains somewhat natural, that is a host to wildlife of all kinds that use Kettle Island as a nature corridor between Greens Creek and Pointe-Gatineau.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ontario has opted out of the Environmental Assessment by Michael Pilon</title>
		<link>http://www.stopthebridge.org/2010/04/ontario-has-opted-out-of-the-environmental-assessment/comment-page-1/#comment-6180</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Pilon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Oct 2010 00:42:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Kettle island Bridge proposal is a major platform in the election campaign of richard Cannings. he has been unequivicably against it since the mid 1990&#039;s.

Check out his site at

www.vote-cannings.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Kettle island Bridge proposal is a major platform in the election campaign of richard Cannings. he has been unequivicably against it since the mid 1990&#8217;s.</p>
<p>Check out his site at</p>
<p><a href="http://www.vote-cannings.com" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/www.vote-cannings.com');" rel="nofollow">http://www.vote-cannings.com</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Phase 2B scope must be expanded to include other options by G. Forsey</title>
		<link>http://www.stopthebridge.org/2010/06/phase-2b-scope/comment-page-1/#comment-6123</link>
		<dc:creator>G. Forsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 12:25:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The NCC has voted and they will not expand the scope of Phase 2B to include other options. Continuation of the study is contingent on funding from the provinces.

It&#039;s in the hands of the provinces now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The NCC has voted and they will not expand the scope of Phase 2B to include other options. Continuation of the study is contingent on funding from the provinces.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s in the hands of the provinces now.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Your participation: Phase 2A public consultation, March 30-31 by Pat Boule</title>
		<link>http://www.stopthebridge.org/2010/03/your-participation-phase-2a-public-consultation-march-30-31/comment-page-1/#comment-6063</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat Boule</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jun 2010 01:18:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.stopthebridge.org/?p=1345#comment-6063</guid>
		<description>Hey - we&#039;re all in this Sustainable Solutions thing together :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey &#8211; we&#8217;re all in this Sustainable Solutions thing together <img src='http://www.stopthebridge.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on MPCA Community Meeting &#8211; Summary and Fundraising by G. Forsey</title>
		<link>http://www.stopthebridge.org/2010/05/mpca-community-meeting-summary-and-fundraising/comment-page-1/#comment-6062</link>
		<dc:creator>G. Forsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2010 11:32:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.stopthebridge.org/?p=1394#comment-6062</guid>
		<description>Nobody is suing the Ontario Government. 

Canadian and Ontario environmental legislation and how the two acts are supposed to work together is extremely complicated. 

MPCA has come to the realization that we need advice from an environmental lawyer to ensure that our rights are being protected under the law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nobody is suing the Ontario Government. </p>
<p>Canadian and Ontario environmental legislation and how the two acts are supposed to work together is extremely complicated. </p>
<p>MPCA has come to the realization that we need advice from an environmental lawyer to ensure that our rights are being protected under the law.</p>
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		<title>Comment on MPCA Community Meeting &#8211; Summary and Fundraising by Don Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.stopthebridge.org/2010/05/mpca-community-meeting-summary-and-fundraising/comment-page-1/#comment-6058</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jun 2010 21:04:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.stopthebridge.org/?p=1394#comment-6058</guid>
		<description>Great strategy!  Let&#039;s sue the Ontario government!  

Wait a minute - isn&#039;t it the Ontario government that insisted that three corridors be carried forward instead of just Kettle Island?

Oops, I guess not such a good strategy after all.

Dumb dumb dumb...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great strategy!  Let&#8217;s sue the Ontario government!  </p>
<p>Wait a minute &#8211; isn&#8217;t it the Ontario government that insisted that three corridors be carried forward instead of just Kettle Island?</p>
<p>Oops, I guess not such a good strategy after all.</p>
<p>Dumb dumb dumb&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Your participation: Phase 2A public consultation, March 30-31 by Bob M</title>
		<link>http://www.stopthebridge.org/2010/03/your-participation-phase-2a-public-consultation-march-30-31/comment-page-1/#comment-6056</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 May 2010 21:06:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I take back my morally corrupt comment.  I actually agree in preserving the greenbelt, but most won&#039;t agree with what I really believe.  At this point, I will say it anyway.  No bridges for fossil fuel burning transportation.  No 174 in the greenbelt.  Replace it all with light rail.  Goods can come in on rail.  At that point we would only need minimal delivery systems outside of the rail system.  That sounds sustainable.  Thanks for letting the crazy man vent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I take back my morally corrupt comment.  I actually agree in preserving the greenbelt, but most won&#8217;t agree with what I really believe.  At this point, I will say it anyway.  No bridges for fossil fuel burning transportation.  No 174 in the greenbelt.  Replace it all with light rail.  Goods can come in on rail.  At that point we would only need minimal delivery systems outside of the rail system.  That sounds sustainable.  Thanks for letting the crazy man vent.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ontario has opted out of the Environmental Assessment by Stop The Kettle Island Bridge &#187; Blog Archive &#187; MPCA Community Meeting &#8211; Summary and Fundraising</title>
		<link>http://www.stopthebridge.org/2010/04/ontario-has-opted-out-of-the-environmental-assessment/comment-page-1/#comment-6055</link>
		<dc:creator>Stop The Kettle Island Bridge &#187; Blog Archive &#187; MPCA Community Meeting &#8211; Summary and Fundraising</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 May 2010 18:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] highlighted was the importance of continuing the letter-writing campaign to persuade the Province of Ontario to opt back [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] highlighted was the importance of continuing the letter-writing campaign to persuade the Province of Ontario to opt back [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Emergency Community Meeting:  May 26, 7:00 pm by Kate and David Preston</title>
		<link>http://www.stopthebridge.org/2010/05/emergency-community-meeting-may-26-700-pm/comment-page-1/#comment-6054</link>
		<dc:creator>Kate and David Preston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 May 2010 15:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.stopthebridge.org/?p=1389#comment-6054</guid>
		<description>Dear Organizers of tonight&#039;s meeting (May 26)

We are very sorry not to be able to attend but we have a long- standing previous commitment this evening.

We share your concern about the volume (and speed) of the traffic on Hemlock/Beechwood.  We want to see 50 km/hr signs posted on the west as well as the east side of Hemlock and we recommend that speed cameras be installed to enforce the limit.  We also recommend that access to Manor Park be blocked, Glebe-style, to prevent traffic cutting through our neighbourhood.

The proposed location of the bridge on Kettle Island makes no sense to us. It would be deliberately destructive of a series of well-established communities.  Town planners may have had that route in mind 30 years ago but it is an idea whose time has come and gone and the planners must now find  another solution.

We would be happy to attend future meetings but we ask that you provide a bit more notice next time.

With many thanks for your activism on behalf of us all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Organizers of tonight&#8217;s meeting (May 26)</p>
<p>We are very sorry not to be able to attend but we have a long- standing previous commitment this evening.</p>
<p>We share your concern about the volume (and speed) of the traffic on Hemlock/Beechwood.  We want to see 50 km/hr signs posted on the west as well as the east side of Hemlock and we recommend that speed cameras be installed to enforce the limit.  We also recommend that access to Manor Park be blocked, Glebe-style, to prevent traffic cutting through our neighbourhood.</p>
<p>The proposed location of the bridge on Kettle Island makes no sense to us. It would be deliberately destructive of a series of well-established communities.  Town planners may have had that route in mind 30 years ago but it is an idea whose time has come and gone and the planners must now find  another solution.</p>
<p>We would be happy to attend future meetings but we ask that you provide a bit more notice next time.</p>
<p>With many thanks for your activism on behalf of us all.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why an Ontario Environmental Assessment is important by Linda McDonald</title>
		<link>http://www.stopthebridge.org/2010/05/why-an-ontario-environmental-assessment-is-important/comment-page-1/#comment-6050</link>
		<dc:creator>Linda McDonald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 May 2010 18:38:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anyone have any idea why the Ontario Government might have changed its mind?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone have any idea why the Ontario Government might have changed its mind?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why an Ontario Environmental Assessment is important by pprmnt</title>
		<link>http://www.stopthebridge.org/2010/05/why-an-ontario-environmental-assessment-is-important/comment-page-1/#comment-6049</link>
		<dc:creator>pprmnt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 May 2010 13:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve e-mailed all of them requesting an answer as to why Ontario opted out of the process, non of them did so!
They are already in hiding mode...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve e-mailed all of them requesting an answer as to why Ontario opted out of the process, non of them did so!<br />
They are already in hiding mode&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ontario has opted out of the Environmental Assessment by Stop The Kettle Island Bridge &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Why an Ontario Environmental Assessment is important</title>
		<link>http://www.stopthebridge.org/2010/04/ontario-has-opted-out-of-the-environmental-assessment/comment-page-1/#comment-6048</link>
		<dc:creator>Stop The Kettle Island Bridge &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Why an Ontario Environmental Assessment is important</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 May 2010 17:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] presented in an earlier posting (Ontario has opted out of the Environmental Assessment), it is important for us to raise these concerns with our provincial politicians, to lobby them to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] presented in an earlier posting (Ontario has opted out of the Environmental Assessment), it is important for us to raise these concerns with our provincial politicians, to lobby them to [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Your participation: Phase 2A public consultation, March 30-31 by G. Forsey</title>
		<link>http://www.stopthebridge.org/2010/03/your-participation-phase-2a-public-consultation-march-30-31/comment-page-1/#comment-6044</link>
		<dc:creator>G. Forsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 May 2010 13:50:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;re at a critical crossroad in a flawed study. None of the three corridor options on the table is ideal. It&#039;s time to find the common ground and work together. Two issues that unite us:

The study must give priority to finding the right solution to the real problem - the trucks;

The Ontario Government must opt back in as a study proponent and apply its provincial environmental legislation. Without this, there is no accountability in the process and no scrutiny until one corridor is chosen. Then it will be too late.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re at a critical crossroad in a flawed study. None of the three corridor options on the table is ideal. It&#8217;s time to find the common ground and work together. Two issues that unite us:</p>
<p>The study must give priority to finding the right solution to the real problem &#8211; the trucks;</p>
<p>The Ontario Government must opt back in as a study proponent and apply its provincial environmental legislation. Without this, there is no accountability in the process and no scrutiny until one corridor is chosen. Then it will be too late.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Your participation: Phase 2A public consultation, March 30-31 by Pat Boule</title>
		<link>http://www.stopthebridge.org/2010/03/your-participation-phase-2a-public-consultation-march-30-31/comment-page-1/#comment-6020</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat Boule</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I take offense to the above comment. Morally corrupt? Please, let&#039;s discuss this like adults.

Let&#039;s talk traffic for the 100000 east end residents:
For an Orleans resident going into work - Merging Gatineau truck traffic into the 174 before the pinch point of the split worsens the East to downtown commute.

For an Orleans resident coming home - truck traffic going thru the split versus exiting to 417 south (as today), worsens the Eastern commute. 

And, in both cases - the new cloverleaf messes up the bus lanes that currently provide the current poor excuse for mass transit to the eastern part of the city. 

Add to that the Greenbelt corridors are so far from downtown that no downtown bound trucks will use them.

Can you point out where on the www.commonsensecrossings.com site does it say that Kettle Island is the &quot;right&quot; choice? We&#039;re trying to stay above throwing rocks at our neighbors.

Thanks!

Pat Boule</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I take offense to the above comment. Morally corrupt? Please, let&#8217;s discuss this like adults.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s talk traffic for the 100000 east end residents:<br />
For an Orleans resident going into work &#8211; Merging Gatineau truck traffic into the 174 before the pinch point of the split worsens the East to downtown commute.</p>
<p>For an Orleans resident coming home &#8211; truck traffic going thru the split versus exiting to 417 south (as today), worsens the Eastern commute. </p>
<p>And, in both cases &#8211; the new cloverleaf messes up the bus lanes that currently provide the current poor excuse for mass transit to the eastern part of the city. </p>
<p>Add to that the Greenbelt corridors are so far from downtown that no downtown bound trucks will use them.</p>
<p>Can you point out where on the <a href="http://www.commonsensecrossings.com" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/www.commonsensecrossings.com');" rel="nofollow">http://www.commonsensecrossings.com</a> site does it say that Kettle Island is the &#8220;right&#8221; choice? We&#8217;re trying to stay above throwing rocks at our neighbors.</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
<p>Pat Boule</p>
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		<title>Comment on Your participation: Phase 2A public consultation, March 30-31 by Bob M</title>
		<link>http://www.stopthebridge.org/2010/03/your-participation-phase-2a-public-consultation-march-30-31/comment-page-1/#comment-5995</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Mar 2010 02:08:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Orleans politicians are going all out again.  You must take a look at commonsensecrossing.com, it is an very poor attempt at showing facts why kettle bridge is the right decision.  They poorly attempt to say it is about green belt, then quickly shift opinion to congestion of traffic on the 174.  Both are good reasons kettle island should not be chosen.  They conveniently choose to ignore that a new ramp will unload Gatineau traffic ahead of Orleans residents going downtown to work.  Their attempt at misleading the residents of Ottawa is morally corrupt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Orleans politicians are going all out again.  You must take a look at commonsensecrossing.com, it is an very poor attempt at showing facts why kettle bridge is the right decision.  They poorly attempt to say it is about green belt, then quickly shift opinion to congestion of traffic on the 174.  Both are good reasons kettle island should not be chosen.  They conveniently choose to ignore that a new ramp will unload Gatineau traffic ahead of Orleans residents going downtown to work.  Their attempt at misleading the residents of Ottawa is morally corrupt.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Design Tourist Ottawa: The Musical Ride by Gisèle</title>
		<link>http://www.stopthebridge.org/2009/06/design-tourist-ottawa-the-musical-ride/comment-page-1/#comment-5954</link>
		<dc:creator>Gisèle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 15:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I particularly like the following passage:

&quot;The fall of the land makes a natural amphitheatre. Visible just beyond the performance grounds are the Canadian Aviation Museum and historic Rockcliffe Airport.&quot;

The natural setting and surroundings of our cultural institutions and historic attractions are an instrinsic part of their value. Destroying this degrades the institutions themselves and tarnishes our national image.  

Maria Cook has a true appreciation for our cultural landscape. She also has a gift for describing it and promoting its significance. It is a topic worth further discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I particularly like the following passage:</p>
<p>&#8220;The fall of the land makes a natural amphitheatre. Visible just beyond the performance grounds are the Canadian Aviation Museum and historic Rockcliffe Airport.&#8221;</p>
<p>The natural setting and surroundings of our cultural institutions and historic attractions are an instrinsic part of their value. Destroying this degrades the institutions themselves and tarnishes our national image.  </p>
<p>Maria Cook has a true appreciation for our cultural landscape. She also has a gift for describing it and promoting its significance. It is a topic worth further discussion.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Project update: Email exchange with Marie Lemay, NCC CEO by Robert Gougeon</title>
		<link>http://www.stopthebridge.org/2009/06/project-update-email-exchange-with-marie-lemay-ncc-ceo/comment-page-1/#comment-5943</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Gougeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 14:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why are the Phase II Consultant&#039;s draft terms of reference not subject to some form of formal public input?  These are critical and will substantially influence, possibly pre-determine, the choice of crossings.  These are likley an indicator of the NCC&#039;s big pictue (alignments of options) position at this crucial juncture.  The NCC should be accordingly accountable and open to the public.  At a minimum, concerned community associations should comment on draft terms of reference. 

Communities should be given a chance to shape and substantially contribute to Phase II, including the development of its consultation process.  Formal public consultation &#039;hearing&#039; milestones are designed to defend/promote and finalize a decision, with fewest mofications, leaving communities with the fustration of reacting.

Regarding the &#039;&#039;choosing and contracting consultant services, through a Request for Proposals process - completion by September 2009 &#039;&#039;:  To the extend that is legally possible, particularly selection cirteria, this process should be open and scrutinized accordingly.  

Thoughful consideration should also be given to the fundamental nature of the lead expertise for a project with such profound social impact and broader urban planning implications.  Transportation engineers are likely inclined to favour and promote the most &#039;performing&#039; route serving trucks and cars with minimal capital costs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why are the Phase II Consultant&#8217;s draft terms of reference not subject to some form of formal public input?  These are critical and will substantially influence, possibly pre-determine, the choice of crossings.  These are likley an indicator of the NCC&#8217;s big pictue (alignments of options) position at this crucial juncture.  The NCC should be accordingly accountable and open to the public.  At a minimum, concerned community associations should comment on draft terms of reference. </p>
<p>Communities should be given a chance to shape and substantially contribute to Phase II, including the development of its consultation process.  Formal public consultation &#8216;hearing&#8217; milestones are designed to defend/promote and finalize a decision, with fewest mofications, leaving communities with the fustration of reacting.</p>
<p>Regarding the &#8221;choosing and contracting consultant services, through a Request for Proposals process &#8211; completion by September 2009 &#8221;:  To the extend that is legally possible, particularly selection cirteria, this process should be open and scrutinized accordingly.  </p>
<p>Thoughful consideration should also be given to the fundamental nature of the lead expertise for a project with such profound social impact and broader urban planning implications.  Transportation engineers are likely inclined to favour and promote the most &#8216;performing&#8217; route serving trucks and cars with minimal capital costs.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Further arguments for an alternate route: Lower Duck/Beauchamp by Hubert des Courtis</title>
		<link>http://www.stopthebridge.org/2009/03/further-arguments-for-an-alternate-route-lower-duckbeauchamp/comment-page-1/#comment-5930</link>
		<dc:creator>Hubert des Courtis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 14:34:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very good corridor with minimum disturbance for residents on both sides (Ontario and Quebec). May I suggest a superior crossing (two lanes) for trucks above the 174 to reach Innes road and east ottawa industrial parks and also reach Highway 417 without jamming the Split.

Hubert des Courtis
Civil Engineer E.P.F.L.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good corridor with minimum disturbance for residents on both sides (Ontario and Quebec). May I suggest a superior crossing (two lanes) for trucks above the 174 to reach Innes road and east ottawa industrial parks and also reach Highway 417 without jamming the Split.</p>
<p>Hubert des Courtis<br />
Civil Engineer E.P.F.L.</p>
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