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	<title>Comments for Stop The Kettle Island Bridge</title>
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	<description>No to Kettle Island.  Yes to Healthy Communities.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Design Tourist Ottawa: The Musical Ride by Gisèle</title>
		<link>http://www.stopthebridge.org/2009/06/design-tourist-ottawa-the-musical-ride/comment-page-1/#comment-5954</link>
		<dc:creator>Gisèle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 15:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I particularly like the following passage:

&quot;The fall of the land makes a natural amphitheatre. Visible just beyond the performance grounds are the Canadian Aviation Museum and historic Rockcliffe Airport.&quot;

The natural setting and surroundings of our cultural institutions and historic attractions are an instrinsic part of their value. Destroying this degrades the institutions themselves and tarnishes our national image.  

Maria Cook has a true appreciation for our cultural landscape. She also has a gift for describing it and promoting its significance. It is a topic worth further discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I particularly like the following passage:</p>
<p>&#8220;The fall of the land makes a natural amphitheatre. Visible just beyond the performance grounds are the Canadian Aviation Museum and historic Rockcliffe Airport.&#8221;</p>
<p>The natural setting and surroundings of our cultural institutions and historic attractions are an instrinsic part of their value. Destroying this degrades the institutions themselves and tarnishes our national image.  </p>
<p>Maria Cook has a true appreciation for our cultural landscape. She also has a gift for describing it and promoting its significance. It is a topic worth further discussion.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Project update: Email exchange with Marie Lemay, NCC CEO by Robert Gougeon</title>
		<link>http://www.stopthebridge.org/2009/06/project-update-email-exchange-with-marie-lemay-ncc-ceo/comment-page-1/#comment-5943</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Gougeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 14:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why are the Phase II Consultant&#039;s draft terms of reference not subject to some form of formal public input?  These are critical and will substantially influence, possibly pre-determine, the choice of crossings.  These are likley an indicator of the NCC&#039;s big pictue (alignments of options) position at this crucial juncture.  The NCC should be accordingly accountable and open to the public.  At a minimum, concerned community associations should comment on draft terms of reference. 

Communities should be given a chance to shape and substantially contribute to Phase II, including the development of its consultation process.  Formal public consultation &#039;hearing&#039; milestones are designed to defend/promote and finalize a decision, with fewest mofications, leaving communities with the fustration of reacting.

Regarding the &#039;&#039;choosing and contracting consultant services, through a Request for Proposals process - completion by September 2009 &#039;&#039;:  To the extend that is legally possible, particularly selection cirteria, this process should be open and scrutinized accordingly.  

Thoughful consideration should also be given to the fundamental nature of the lead expertise for a project with such profound social impact and broader urban planning implications.  Transportation engineers are likely inclined to favour and promote the most &#039;performing&#039; route serving trucks and cars with minimal capital costs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why are the Phase II Consultant&#8217;s draft terms of reference not subject to some form of formal public input?  These are critical and will substantially influence, possibly pre-determine, the choice of crossings.  These are likley an indicator of the NCC&#8217;s big pictue (alignments of options) position at this crucial juncture.  The NCC should be accordingly accountable and open to the public.  At a minimum, concerned community associations should comment on draft terms of reference. </p>
<p>Communities should be given a chance to shape and substantially contribute to Phase II, including the development of its consultation process.  Formal public consultation &#8216;hearing&#8217; milestones are designed to defend/promote and finalize a decision, with fewest mofications, leaving communities with the fustration of reacting.</p>
<p>Regarding the &#8221;choosing and contracting consultant services, through a Request for Proposals process &#8211; completion by September 2009 &#8221;:  To the extend that is legally possible, particularly selection cirteria, this process should be open and scrutinized accordingly.  </p>
<p>Thoughful consideration should also be given to the fundamental nature of the lead expertise for a project with such profound social impact and broader urban planning implications.  Transportation engineers are likely inclined to favour and promote the most &#8216;performing&#8217; route serving trucks and cars with minimal capital costs.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Further arguments for an alternate route: Lower Duck/Beauchamp by Hubert des Courtis</title>
		<link>http://www.stopthebridge.org/2009/03/further-arguments-for-an-alternate-route-lower-duckbeauchamp/comment-page-1/#comment-5930</link>
		<dc:creator>Hubert des Courtis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 14:34:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very good corridor with minimum disturbance for residents on both sides (Ontario and Quebec). May I suggest a superior crossing (two lanes) for trucks above the 174 to reach Innes road and east ottawa industrial parks and also reach Highway 417 without jamming the Split.

Hubert des Courtis
Civil Engineer E.P.F.L.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good corridor with minimum disturbance for residents on both sides (Ontario and Quebec). May I suggest a superior crossing (two lanes) for trucks above the 174 to reach Innes road and east ottawa industrial parks and also reach Highway 417 without jamming the Split.</p>
<p>Hubert des Courtis<br />
Civil Engineer E.P.F.L.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Further arguments for an alternate route: Lower Duck/Beauchamp by Dma.Gibeault</title>
		<link>http://www.stopthebridge.org/2009/03/further-arguments-for-an-alternate-route-lower-duckbeauchamp/comment-page-1/#comment-4682</link>
		<dc:creator>Dma.Gibeault</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 22:32:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This LowerDuck-Beauchamp variation on Lower Duck corridor(6)really sounds like a more sensible option. It provides good access to commercial/industrial land in both Gatineau and Ottawa (via HW 50-Gatineau Airport to HW 417). An extra lane on HW 174 on the Ontario side continues to be part of the solution so that people coming in from Eastern ON are not left behind. What is most valuable with this option: it has the least impact by significant amount on health and safety of people and communities both in Qc and ON as compared to any of the 3 corridors retained for the next phase. People should always count more than hardware.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This LowerDuck-Beauchamp variation on Lower Duck corridor(6)really sounds like a more sensible option. It provides good access to commercial/industrial land in both Gatineau and Ottawa (via HW 50-Gatineau Airport to HW 417). An extra lane on HW 174 on the Ontario side continues to be part of the solution so that people coming in from Eastern ON are not left behind. What is most valuable with this option: it has the least impact by significant amount on health and safety of people and communities both in Qc and ON as compared to any of the 3 corridors retained for the next phase. People should always count more than hardware.</p>
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		<title>Comment on An alternate route? by Stop The Kettle Island Bridge &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Further arguments for an alternate route: Lower Duck/Beauchamp</title>
		<link>http://www.stopthebridge.org/2009/03/an-alternate-route/comment-page-1/#comment-4627</link>
		<dc:creator>Stop The Kettle Island Bridge &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Further arguments for an alternate route: Lower Duck/Beauchamp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 00:44:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a previous posting, we presented an alternate route. Let&#8217;s call it Option 6B - Lower [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on NCC&#8217;s official Phase 1 submission to the Board of Directors by Gisèle</title>
		<link>http://www.stopthebridge.org/2009/03/nccs-official-phase-1-submission-to-the-board-of-directors/comment-page-1/#comment-4131</link>
		<dc:creator>Gisèle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 14:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting that the NCC report in summarizing Gatineau&#039;s official position does not include this council&#039;s resolution that it is unacceptable to put heavy commercial vehicles on Montée Paiement and their request that Ottawa retain heavy commercial vehicles on the Macdonald-Cartier/King Edward axis. The summary statement is simply that Gatineau approves study of corridor 5 in the next phase. I wonder why? The summary statement of Ottawa&#039;s position, on the other hand, includes all the flip flops Council has taken on the issue over the last two months.
The full resolution of Gatineau&#039;s position is included in the Appendix. 
The NCC report also states that there is potential for consensus on the interprovincial crossing site locatiion among the 5 stakeholders. Ever the optimist...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting that the NCC report in summarizing Gatineau&#8217;s official position does not include this council&#8217;s resolution that it is unacceptable to put heavy commercial vehicles on Montée Paiement and their request that Ottawa retain heavy commercial vehicles on the Macdonald-Cartier/King Edward axis. The summary statement is simply that Gatineau approves study of corridor 5 in the next phase. I wonder why? The summary statement of Ottawa&#8217;s position, on the other hand, includes all the flip flops Council has taken on the issue over the last two months.<br />
The full resolution of Gatineau&#8217;s position is included in the Appendix.<br />
The NCC report also states that there is potential for consensus on the interprovincial crossing site locatiion among the 5 stakeholders. Ever the optimist&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on MPCA letter to Russell Mills, NCC Chair, re: next phase of the study by Patrick Bendin</title>
		<link>http://www.stopthebridge.org/2009/03/mpca-letter-to-russell-mills-ncc-chair-re-next-phase-of-the-study/comment-page-1/#comment-3944</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Bendin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 18:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Among other things, the MPCA&#039;s letter to the NCC is a thoughtful and persuasive rebuttal to the claim that the NCC succumbed to NIMBYism by acceding to the Ontario and Quebec governments’ call for environmental studies of three crossing sites, and not only the Kettle Island option recommended by its consultants. At the heart of this claim is a belief that those opposing a crossing at Kettle Island are putting their own interests ahead of the public good, and that their objections are selfish rather than principled. 

Accusations of NIMBYism are often an effective tactic for undermining perfectly reasonable arguments for opposing development by implying that opponents are so focused on their self-interest that nothing they say merits consideration. However, properly understood and addressed, such opposition helps to define and promote the public interest by forcing decision-makers and their consultants to revisit their assumptions about what this means in the context of particular developments. The best approach to perceived NIMBYism is therefore to deal directly and openly with concerns that engender it. 

In this case, the weight assigned by the NCC’s consultants to their study’s evaluation criteria reflects various policy preferences and values which were never disclosed, let alone publicly discussed before the release of their recommendation. The result is a recommendation based on obsolete planning ideas that again sacrifices the needs and interests of people and communities within the greenbelt, where all inter-provincial crossings are currently located, to the demands of the heavy trucking industry and Gatineau and other commuters, and also to the detriment of densification and other efforts aimed at creating a liveable and sustainable city.

The lack of transparency in dealing with these concerns and not NIMBYism is why crossing sites in addition to Kettle Island had to be included in the next phase of the inter-provincial crossing study. It is also why this phase of the study should be done by different consultants than those who conducted the first phase.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Among other things, the MPCA&#8217;s letter to the NCC is a thoughtful and persuasive rebuttal to the claim that the NCC succumbed to NIMBYism by acceding to the Ontario and Quebec governments’ call for environmental studies of three crossing sites, and not only the Kettle Island option recommended by its consultants. At the heart of this claim is a belief that those opposing a crossing at Kettle Island are putting their own interests ahead of the public good, and that their objections are selfish rather than principled. </p>
<p>Accusations of NIMBYism are often an effective tactic for undermining perfectly reasonable arguments for opposing development by implying that opponents are so focused on their self-interest that nothing they say merits consideration. However, properly understood and addressed, such opposition helps to define and promote the public interest by forcing decision-makers and their consultants to revisit their assumptions about what this means in the context of particular developments. The best approach to perceived NIMBYism is therefore to deal directly and openly with concerns that engender it. </p>
<p>In this case, the weight assigned by the NCC’s consultants to their study’s evaluation criteria reflects various policy preferences and values which were never disclosed, let alone publicly discussed before the release of their recommendation. The result is a recommendation based on obsolete planning ideas that again sacrifices the needs and interests of people and communities within the greenbelt, where all inter-provincial crossings are currently located, to the demands of the heavy trucking industry and Gatineau and other commuters, and also to the detriment of densification and other efforts aimed at creating a liveable and sustainable city.</p>
<p>The lack of transparency in dealing with these concerns and not NIMBYism is why crossing sites in addition to Kettle Island had to be included in the next phase of the inter-provincial crossing study. It is also why this phase of the study should be done by different consultants than those who conducted the first phase.</p>
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		<title>Comment on MPCA letter to Russell Mills, NCC Chair, re: next phase of the study by Robert Gougeon</title>
		<link>http://www.stopthebridge.org/2009/03/mpca-letter-to-russell-mills-ncc-chair-re-next-phase-of-the-study/comment-page-1/#comment-3910</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Gougeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 13:16:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The above should read &#039;no access from the crossing to the ROckcliffe Parkway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The above should read &#8216;no access from the crossing to the ROckcliffe Parkway.</p>
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		<title>Comment on MPCA letter to Russell Mills, NCC Chair, re: next phase of the study by Robert Gougeon</title>
		<link>http://www.stopthebridge.org/2009/03/mpca-letter-to-russell-mills-ncc-chair-re-next-phase-of-the-study/comment-page-1/#comment-3909</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Gougeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 13:13:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A modified combination of corridors 6 and 7 on both sides of the river does indeed offer a route with minimal community impact.  The terms of reference should be expanded accordingly, and premised on a people/communities first approach.  Other principles should be imbedded.  For example, access from the new crossing to the Rockcliffe Parkway.  Moreover, access to the Hemlock/Beechwood corridor should also be eliminated from the Kettle Crossing option before going any further.  

The next phase could be led by urban planners supported by transportation engineers and not vice-versa. Fully agree that community experts and potentially impacted stakeholders be fully engaged in the drafting of terms of reference, in the consultant selection and in the design of the consultation process.  The public consultation process needs to be upgraded to ensure public views are also sought on drafts, not just positions. 

At the provincial level, transportation ministers could formally share oversight responsibility for the crossings with other interested colleagues (e.g., communities, health, environment)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A modified combination of corridors 6 and 7 on both sides of the river does indeed offer a route with minimal community impact.  The terms of reference should be expanded accordingly, and premised on a people/communities first approach.  Other principles should be imbedded.  For example, access from the new crossing to the Rockcliffe Parkway.  Moreover, access to the Hemlock/Beechwood corridor should also be eliminated from the Kettle Crossing option before going any further.  </p>
<p>The next phase could be led by urban planners supported by transportation engineers and not vice-versa. Fully agree that community experts and potentially impacted stakeholders be fully engaged in the drafting of terms of reference, in the consultant selection and in the design of the consultation process.  The public consultation process needs to be upgraded to ensure public views are also sought on drafts, not just positions. </p>
<p>At the provincial level, transportation ministers could formally share oversight responsibility for the crossings with other interested colleagues (e.g., communities, health, environment)</p>
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		<title>Comment on NCC Watch &#8211; Genies and truck routes by ccredico</title>
		<link>http://www.stopthebridge.org/2009/02/ncc-watch-genies-and-truck-routes/comment-page-1/#comment-3585</link>
		<dc:creator>ccredico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 18:29:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some of the editorial biases of certain media outlets and columnists in the city are definitely questionable.  As to why they are so pro-Kettle, I wish we had a better answer.  From what I can tell, there is a distinct reluctance to acknowledge the validity of arguments against Kettle Island, many of which speak to the greater good of the national capital region. Refusing to acknowledge these seems to me like a simple case of irresponsible and unprofessional journalism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of the editorial biases of certain media outlets and columnists in the city are definitely questionable.  As to why they are so pro-Kettle, I wish we had a better answer.  From what I can tell, there is a distinct reluctance to acknowledge the validity of arguments against Kettle Island, many of which speak to the greater good of the national capital region. Refusing to acknowledge these seems to me like a simple case of irresponsible and unprofessional journalism.</p>
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		<title>Comment on NCC Watch &#8211; Genies and truck routes by Robert Gougeon</title>
		<link>http://www.stopthebridge.org/2009/02/ncc-watch-genies-and-truck-routes/comment-page-1/#comment-3547</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Gougeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 14:38:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been following the issue fairly closely.  Of all the positions I have come across, the only one I do not understand, in terms of rationale and motive, are those of the Ottawa Citizen editorials.  Why are they so fundamentally pro-Kettle, when it might have been better journalism and in the broader interest of the NCR to simply stay neutral on this issue and report the facts and publish letters?  

Bravo on your web site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been following the issue fairly closely.  Of all the positions I have come across, the only one I do not understand, in terms of rationale and motive, are those of the Ottawa Citizen editorials.  Why are they so fundamentally pro-Kettle, when it might have been better journalism and in the broader interest of the NCR to simply stay neutral on this issue and report the facts and publish letters?  </p>
<p>Bravo on your web site.</p>
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		<title>Comment on MP Mauril Bélanger congratulates the NCC for its latest decision by John Savage</title>
		<link>http://www.stopthebridge.org/2009/02/mp-mauril-belanger-congratulates-the-ncc-for-its-latest-decision/comment-page-1/#comment-3223</link>
		<dc:creator>John Savage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 21:59:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If a Kettle Island Bridge is unacceptable to the politicians, why waste taxpayers&#039; money to study it at all?  Study another two options, but kill Kettle Island as an option altogether. 

Unfortunately, a Kettle Island option will be on the table for the next few years, unless we kill it asap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If a Kettle Island Bridge is unacceptable to the politicians, why waste taxpayers&#8217; money to study it at all?  Study another two options, but kill Kettle Island as an option altogether. </p>
<p>Unfortunately, a Kettle Island option will be on the table for the next few years, unless we kill it asap.</p>
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		<title>Comment on NCC Decision:  3 options to go forward by John Grant</title>
		<link>http://www.stopthebridge.org/2009/02/ncc-decision-3-options-to-go-forward/comment-page-1/#comment-3020</link>
		<dc:creator>John Grant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 15:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Ottawa Citizen article can be found here:
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/opts+study+bridge+routes/1288517/story.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Ottawa Citizen article can be found here:<br />
<a href="http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/opts+study+bridge+routes/1288517/story.html" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/www.ottawacitizen.com');" rel="nofollow">http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/opts+study+bridge+routes/1288517/story.html</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Ottawa City Council split and unresolved on the bridge issue by Bob M</title>
		<link>http://www.stopthebridge.org/2009/02/ottawa-city-council-split-and-unresolved-on-the-bridge-issue/comment-page-1/#comment-2982</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 01:31:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would not be opposed to citizens of Ottawa pointing out to Bloess&#039; constituents what he is doing to future Orleans property values.  Imagine this scenario.  It is 15 years from today.  Kettle Island bridge is open to traffic.  Thousands of Gatineau cars pour onto Ottawa streets ahead of Orleans residents trying to get to work downtown.  

A new couple is moving here from Toronto.  They ask their future coworkers where to buy a house.  They say, &quot;stay away from Orleans, they have traffic problems like no other part of town.&quot;  If this is obvious to people moving here.  Properties values have no choice but to drop.  Does this seem outrageous to think.  Imagine that in a pamphlet to Orleans residents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would not be opposed to citizens of Ottawa pointing out to Bloess&#8217; constituents what he is doing to future Orleans property values.  Imagine this scenario.  It is 15 years from today.  Kettle Island bridge is open to traffic.  Thousands of Gatineau cars pour onto Ottawa streets ahead of Orleans residents trying to get to work downtown.  </p>
<p>A new couple is moving here from Toronto.  They ask their future coworkers where to buy a house.  They say, &#8220;stay away from Orleans, they have traffic problems like no other part of town.&#8221;  If this is obvious to people moving here.  Properties values have no choice but to drop.  Does this seem outrageous to think.  Imagine that in a pamphlet to Orleans residents.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A bridge too close: Residents gird for Kettle Island fight (Ottawa Citizen) by Kateri Belanger</title>
		<link>http://www.stopthebridge.org/2008/09/a-bridge-too-close-residents-gird-for-kettle-island-fight-ottawa-citizen/comment-page-1/#comment-2977</link>
		<dc:creator>Kateri Belanger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 19:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>le choix privilégié du corridor 5 est aberrant. 
La pollution, le bruit et la vibration seraient INACCEPTABLES. Nous nous opposons fermement a ce choix. 

NON AU PONT ILE KETTLE

La solution a PRIVILÉGIÉR serait le corridor Lower Duck .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>le choix privilégié du corridor 5 est aberrant.<br />
La pollution, le bruit et la vibration seraient INACCEPTABLES. Nous nous opposons fermement a ce choix. </p>
<p>NON AU PONT ILE KETTLE</p>
<p>La solution a PRIVILÉGIÉR serait le corridor Lower Duck .</p>
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		<title>Comment on CBC Ottawa Morning &#8211; Bridge Debate by Charles Siegel</title>
		<link>http://www.stopthebridge.org/2009/02/cbc-ottawa-morning-bridge-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-2974</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles Siegel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 17:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was annoyed by the claim made by Mr.Sharma that the Duck Island corridor would be within 1KM of parts of Orleans. This is patently untrue -- it is approximately 2KM from the closest houses in Orleans. It is closer than that to North Beacon, however: about 1KM.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was annoyed by the claim made by Mr.Sharma that the Duck Island corridor would be within 1KM of parts of Orleans. This is patently untrue &#8212; it is approximately 2KM from the closest houses in Orleans. It is closer than that to North Beacon, however: about 1KM.</p>
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		<title>Comment on An analysis of the ROCHE-NCE study by Gisele Forsey</title>
		<link>http://www.stopthebridge.org/2009/02/an-analysis-of-the-roche-nce-study/comment-page-1/#comment-2968</link>
		<dc:creator>Gisele Forsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 11:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the &quot;whereas&quot;  of Bloess&#039; motion to remove the Lower Duck corridor from future consideration stated that Kettle Island has come out on top in three previous studies. Without giving a lengthy history lesson, this is untrue. Jacques chose not to challenge him on this, focussing on other matters in the time available to him.

This misinformation about KI is being spread by pamphlet all over Orleans. It is also cited repeatedly in the media. It is false information that is being used to convince the public that the current study is solid and that KI is the right choice. 

I don&#039;t think this is either reasonable or honourable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the &#8220;whereas&#8221;  of Bloess&#8217; motion to remove the Lower Duck corridor from future consideration stated that Kettle Island has come out on top in three previous studies. Without giving a lengthy history lesson, this is untrue. Jacques chose not to challenge him on this, focussing on other matters in the time available to him.</p>
<p>This misinformation about KI is being spread by pamphlet all over Orleans. It is also cited repeatedly in the media. It is false information that is being used to convince the public that the current study is solid and that KI is the right choice. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think this is either reasonable or honourable.</p>
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		<title>Comment on An analysis of the ROCHE-NCE study by admin</title>
		<link>http://www.stopthebridge.org/2009/02/an-analysis-of-the-roche-nce-study/comment-page-1/#comment-2941</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 19:18:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although we may feel that those who disagree with us are misinformed, it&#039;s probably safe to assume that their intentions are at least both reasonable and honourable.  The facts of our case should speak for themselves without engaging in speculation about intent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although we may feel that those who disagree with us are misinformed, it&#8217;s probably safe to assume that their intentions are at least both reasonable and honourable.  The facts of our case should speak for themselves without engaging in speculation about intent.</p>
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		<title>Comment on An analysis of the ROCHE-NCE study by Gisèle</title>
		<link>http://www.stopthebridge.org/2009/02/an-analysis-of-the-roche-nce-study/comment-page-1/#comment-2927</link>
		<dc:creator>Gisèle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 11:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that this is an intelligent, professional piece of work. Reasonable people will find it compelling. Indeed, reasonable people will find most of the content on this site highly persuasive.

But how do we deal with the unreasonable? How do we deal with the lies and misinformation that the media and politicians are spreading to gain political ground? How do we fight the bear and the fox?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that this is an intelligent, professional piece of work. Reasonable people will find it compelling. Indeed, reasonable people will find most of the content on this site highly persuasive.</p>
<p>But how do we deal with the unreasonable? How do we deal with the lies and misinformation that the media and politicians are spreading to gain political ground? How do we fight the bear and the fox?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Urgent: Fierce lobbying required NOW! by Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.stopthebridge.org/2009/02/urgent-fierce-lobbying-required-now/comment-page-1/#comment-2911</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 03:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>but seriously, they want it...we don&#039;t! put it in east cumberland, past the ferry, and that will keep the &quot;trucks&quot; out of Downtown no?

Why is there even talk about a new bridge anyways?

WE need roads before they need more crossings...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>but seriously, they want it&#8230;we don&#8217;t! put it in east cumberland, past the ferry, and that will keep the &#8220;trucks&#8221; out of Downtown no?</p>
<p>Why is there even talk about a new bridge anyways?</p>
<p>WE need roads before they need more crossings&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Urgent: Fierce lobbying required NOW! by Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.stopthebridge.org/2009/02/urgent-fierce-lobbying-required-now/comment-page-1/#comment-2908</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 03:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As long as it stays as far away as possible from kanata, build it wherever you want!</description>
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		<title>Comment on Urgent: Fierce lobbying required NOW! by Stop The Kettle Island Bridge &#187; Blog Archive &#187; NCC decision day: Friday the 13th</title>
		<link>http://www.stopthebridge.org/2009/02/urgent-fierce-lobbying-required-now/comment-page-1/#comment-2887</link>
		<dc:creator>Stop The Kettle Island Bridge &#187; Blog Archive &#187; NCC decision day: Friday the 13th</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 15:39:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Re: Build the bridge &#8212; now by Don Parkinson</title>
		<link>http://www.stopthebridge.org/2009/02/no-construction-jobs-before-late-2011/comment-page-1/#comment-2861</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Parkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 23:38:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christophe is dead on in debunking the Citizen`s notion that the construction of this bridge is going to occur in time to contribute to the economic recovery in the short run. The environmental assessment process will ensure that no spades will be in the ground for a few years even if Kettle Island goes ahead. 
The provinces of Ontario and Quebec quite rightly smell a rat with the Kettle Island option and are reasonably asking that the three top options be considered with proper weighting being given to communities, economic development and public transit. Kettle Island fails on all three.
The bridge issue has been around for many years. If the NCC had acted sooner, we would probably by now have had a bridge a Petrie Island - the first choice in an earlier study. Another few months to get it right this time around is worth the wait. It makes no sense to throw $500 million at a solution that simply shifts the King Edward truck problem into another residential neighbourhood only a few blocks away, still leaves 40% of the trucks on King Edward and diverts Gatineau commuter traffic onto an already gridlocked 417. Oh yes, and no link to public transit. 
One wonders if Russell Mills is still writing the editorials on this one at the Citizen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christophe is dead on in debunking the Citizen`s notion that the construction of this bridge is going to occur in time to contribute to the economic recovery in the short run. The environmental assessment process will ensure that no spades will be in the ground for a few years even if Kettle Island goes ahead.<br />
The provinces of Ontario and Quebec quite rightly smell a rat with the Kettle Island option and are reasonably asking that the three top options be considered with proper weighting being given to communities, economic development and public transit. Kettle Island fails on all three.<br />
The bridge issue has been around for many years. If the NCC had acted sooner, we would probably by now have had a bridge a Petrie Island &#8211; the first choice in an earlier study. Another few months to get it right this time around is worth the wait. It makes no sense to throw $500 million at a solution that simply shifts the King Edward truck problem into another residential neighbourhood only a few blocks away, still leaves 40% of the trucks on King Edward and diverts Gatineau commuter traffic onto an already gridlocked 417. Oh yes, and no link to public transit.<br />
One wonders if Russell Mills is still writing the editorials on this one at the Citizen.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Re: Build the bridge &#8212; now by Teresa</title>
		<link>http://www.stopthebridge.org/2009/02/no-construction-jobs-before-late-2011/comment-page-1/#comment-2855</link>
		<dc:creator>Teresa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 18:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The main editorial writer is Ken Gray, who has commented extensively about the bridge. Interestingly, the former publisher of the Citizen is Russell Mills, currently NCC chairman. Below is a column by Mr Gray, from October 25, 2007, &quot;The making of modern Ottawa: The capital created by the planners of the &#039;40s and &#039;50s represents a triumph of the car, and a failure of sustainable development&quot; (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/opinion/story.html?id=8a748cd9-7bd5-428d-a510-ec9f7e3de77c&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/opinion/story.html?id=8a748cd9-7bd5-428d-a510-ec9f7e3de77c&lt;/a&gt;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The main editorial writer is Ken Gray, who has commented extensively about the bridge. Interestingly, the former publisher of the Citizen is Russell Mills, currently NCC chairman. Below is a column by Mr Gray, from October 25, 2007, &#8220;The making of modern Ottawa: The capital created by the planners of the &#8217;40s and &#8217;50s represents a triumph of the car, and a failure of sustainable development&#8221; (<a href="http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/opinion/story.html?id=8a748cd9-7bd5-428d-a510-ec9f7e3de77c" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/www.canada.com');" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/opinion/story.html?id=8a748cd9-7bd5-428d-a510-ec9f7e3de77c</a>)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Re: Build the bridge &#8212; now by Jack Aquilina</title>
		<link>http://www.stopthebridge.org/2009/02/no-construction-jobs-before-late-2011/comment-page-1/#comment-2854</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Aquilina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 17:50:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Christophe, 

You&#039;ve hit dead on and I agree with your comment 100%. It is so ridiculous and I would say even irresponsible for The Citizen to try to make its readers believe that a quick decision equates instant job creation. It is such short term thinking. At the rate the city is growing, we need a bridge for tomorrow&#039;s expanded Ottawa and so we must look further eastward. 

In any event, no matter where the bridge is built, it will have the same impact on job creation. In fact, perhaps tying the bridge in to an industrial sector (such as Canotek) would have an even greater and lasting economic impact. 

I don&#039;t understand why The Citizen is backing so strongly the Kettle Island option. I&#039;d like to know who signs their position paper and if they have some sort of vested interest in seeing the bridge built there. 

Jack Aquilina</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Christophe, </p>
<p>You&#8217;ve hit dead on and I agree with your comment 100%. It is so ridiculous and I would say even irresponsible for The Citizen to try to make its readers believe that a quick decision equates instant job creation. It is such short term thinking. At the rate the city is growing, we need a bridge for tomorrow&#8217;s expanded Ottawa and so we must look further eastward. </p>
<p>In any event, no matter where the bridge is built, it will have the same impact on job creation. In fact, perhaps tying the bridge in to an industrial sector (such as Canotek) would have an even greater and lasting economic impact. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t understand why The Citizen is backing so strongly the Kettle Island option. I&#8217;d like to know who signs their position paper and if they have some sort of vested interest in seeing the bridge built there. </p>
<p>Jack Aquilina</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ottawa City Council Meeting: Wednesday Feb 11th by Stop The Kettle Island Bridge &#187; Blog Archive &#187; NCC decision day: Friday the 13th</title>
		<link>http://www.stopthebridge.org/2009/02/ottawa-city-council-meeting-wednesday-feb-11th/comment-page-1/#comment-2830</link>
		<dc:creator>Stop The Kettle Island Bridge &#187; Blog Archive &#187; NCC decision day: Friday the 13th</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 02:16:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on NCC decision day: Friday the 13th by Stop The Kettle Island Bridge &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Ottawa City Council Meeting: Wednesday Feb 11th</title>
		<link>http://www.stopthebridge.org/2009/02/ncc-decision-day-friday-the-13th/comment-page-1/#comment-2801</link>
		<dc:creator>Stop The Kettle Island Bridge &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Ottawa City Council Meeting: Wednesday Feb 11th</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 16:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Ottawa City Council meets on Wednesday, Feb. 11, to make a decision on the inter-provincial river crossing EA. The City&#8217;s decision will influence the NCC&#8217;s final decision on Feb 13th. [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Kettle Island discourages public transit by Bob M</title>
		<link>http://www.stopthebridge.org/2009/02/kettle-island-discourages-public-transit/comment-page-1/#comment-2793</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 12:32:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a coworker who lives in Gatineau (not close to the Kettle Island corridor).  He drives to work in Ottawa.  His opinion is that he doesn&#039;t know why they are building a bridge in the city.  He says they should build one on the outskirts for the trucks.  He says they should focus on improving public transit from Gatineau into the city of Ottawa (he mentions light rail).  

It&#039;s interesting that when you go to the King Edward bridge outside of rush hour (and construction is completed) that there is manageable traffic around that area.  

It is very sad that we don&#039;t see surveys showing what the people of Ottawa and Gatineau want!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a coworker who lives in Gatineau (not close to the Kettle Island corridor).  He drives to work in Ottawa.  His opinion is that he doesn&#8217;t know why they are building a bridge in the city.  He says they should build one on the outskirts for the trucks.  He says they should focus on improving public transit from Gatineau into the city of Ottawa (he mentions light rail).  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s interesting that when you go to the King Edward bridge outside of rush hour (and construction is completed) that there is manageable traffic around that area.  </p>
<p>It is very sad that we don&#8217;t see surveys showing what the people of Ottawa and Gatineau want!!!!!</p>
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		<title>Comment on NCC CEO interview with the Citizen Editorial Board by ccredico</title>
		<link>http://www.stopthebridge.org/2009/02/ncc-ceo-interview-with-the-citizen-editorial-board/comment-page-1/#comment-2751</link>
		<dc:creator>ccredico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 21:34:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The consultants have identified over 70 homes requiring expropriation for the Duck Island route. And as Gisele has pointed out, there would almost certainly be at least a few expropriations required for Kettle Island (despite what the consultants have claimed).

For Gatineau Airport no expropriations would be required, and this is not in dispute.

Given a choice between expropriation with fair compensation; or reduced property values (not to mention health risks, community impacts, noise, etc.) with no compensation...I know which one I would choose.

Fortunately, this can be avoided entirely with the Gatineau Airport route.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The consultants have identified over 70 homes requiring expropriation for the Duck Island route. And as Gisele has pointed out, there would almost certainly be at least a few expropriations required for Kettle Island (despite what the consultants have claimed).</p>
<p>For Gatineau Airport no expropriations would be required, and this is not in dispute.</p>
<p>Given a choice between expropriation with fair compensation; or reduced property values (not to mention health risks, community impacts, noise, etc.) with no compensation&#8230;I know which one I would choose.</p>
<p>Fortunately, this can be avoided entirely with the Gatineau Airport route.</p>
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		<title>Comment on NCC CEO interview with the Citizen Editorial Board by Gisèle</title>
		<link>http://www.stopthebridge.org/2009/02/ncc-ceo-interview-with-the-citizen-editorial-board/comment-page-1/#comment-2741</link>
		<dc:creator>Gisèle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 17:43:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peder,
The consultant&#039;s report may say that there will be zero expropriations, but it is clear to residents in this area that there won&#039;t be zero.
We alsready know that there are at least two houses in Manor Park Hill that would need to be demolished and one for sure on the Quebec side. But that&#039;s not all. Residents along Montée Paiement are very upset with the truck route along their street. They are asking to be expropriated because it would be better than living next to a truck corridor.

To make the process fair, these factors should have been brought into the selection criteria. Instead, the problems were left to be dealt with in the mitigation phase of the EA.

A mitigation expropriation is still an expropriation and should be counted as such.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peder,<br />
The consultant&#8217;s report may say that there will be zero expropriations, but it is clear to residents in this area that there won&#8217;t be zero.<br />
We alsready know that there are at least two houses in Manor Park Hill that would need to be demolished and one for sure on the Quebec side. But that&#8217;s not all. Residents along Montée Paiement are very upset with the truck route along their street. They are asking to be expropriated because it would be better than living next to a truck corridor.</p>
<p>To make the process fair, these factors should have been brought into the selection criteria. Instead, the problems were left to be dealt with in the mitigation phase of the EA.</p>
<p>A mitigation expropriation is still an expropriation and should be counted as such.</p>
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		<title>Comment on NCC CEO interview with the Citizen Editorial Board by Peder Jakobsen</title>
		<link>http://www.stopthebridge.org/2009/02/ncc-ceo-interview-with-the-citizen-editorial-board/comment-page-1/#comment-2736</link>
		<dc:creator>Peder Jakobsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 16:04:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting interview.   

A valuable post for this  site would focus on the expropriation requirements for other proposed locations, given that it&#039;s zero for Kettle island.    Does anyone have the details on this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting interview.   </p>
<p>A valuable post for this  site would focus on the expropriation requirements for other proposed locations, given that it&#8217;s zero for Kettle island.    Does anyone have the details on this?</p>
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		<title>Comment on NCC CEO interview with the Citizen Editorial Board by Gisèle</title>
		<link>http://www.stopthebridge.org/2009/02/ncc-ceo-interview-with-the-citizen-editorial-board/comment-page-1/#comment-2675</link>
		<dc:creator>Gisèle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 15:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is the letter I sent in to the Citizen in response to the article on the editorial board meeting with Marie Lemay:

 I find it appalling that the idea of turning a national capital scenic parkway into a designated truck corridor for 18 wheelers is still on the table—worse still, the idea of building a truck route that would skirt past the front driveways and back yards of several densely populated residential neighbourhoods and come within 25 metres of the Montfort Hospital and 15 metres of Our Lady of Mont Carmel Elementary School. 

Why is the NCC still considering this preposterous proposal? Their consultant has promised to find ways to mitigate the harm in Phase 2 of the EA.

Opponents of the Kettle Island corridor are quite aware of the consultant’s mitigation measures, and we don’t need to waste $4 million dollars on Phase 2 to find out that they won’t work.

A case in point is the solution proposed to reduce the safety hazards at the corridor’s intersections. There would be 15 level crossings along the Kettle Island corridor where heavy commercial vehicles would have to gear down and mix with commuter traffic, taxis, cyclists and pedestrians all trying to reach their destination as fast as possible. The consultant’s proposed answer to this problem is to construct roundabouts. 

Tell me, how will tourists to our beautiful capital feel about sharing a roundabout with 1700 heavy commercial vehicles per day—or up to 4,000 big trucks a day, should the City act on its resolution to ban trucks from King Edward Avenue. 

Furthermore, there is no known way to mitigate the harmful effects to air quality caused by the high levels of particulate matter in diesel exhaust, and there is no known way to reduce the harm caused by the spillage of toxic materials that might be transported by these trucks. 

Ms Lemay, we know we need a bridge. The current deplorable situation in Lowertown must be fixed. But there are better corridors that don’t route trucks through densely populated established communities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is the letter I sent in to the Citizen in response to the article on the editorial board meeting with Marie Lemay:</p>
<p> I find it appalling that the idea of turning a national capital scenic parkway into a designated truck corridor for 18 wheelers is still on the table—worse still, the idea of building a truck route that would skirt past the front driveways and back yards of several densely populated residential neighbourhoods and come within 25 metres of the Montfort Hospital and 15 metres of Our Lady of Mont Carmel Elementary School. </p>
<p>Why is the NCC still considering this preposterous proposal? Their consultant has promised to find ways to mitigate the harm in Phase 2 of the EA.</p>
<p>Opponents of the Kettle Island corridor are quite aware of the consultant’s mitigation measures, and we don’t need to waste $4 million dollars on Phase 2 to find out that they won’t work.</p>
<p>A case in point is the solution proposed to reduce the safety hazards at the corridor’s intersections. There would be 15 level crossings along the Kettle Island corridor where heavy commercial vehicles would have to gear down and mix with commuter traffic, taxis, cyclists and pedestrians all trying to reach their destination as fast as possible. The consultant’s proposed answer to this problem is to construct roundabouts. </p>
<p>Tell me, how will tourists to our beautiful capital feel about sharing a roundabout with 1700 heavy commercial vehicles per day—or up to 4,000 big trucks a day, should the City act on its resolution to ban trucks from King Edward Avenue. </p>
<p>Furthermore, there is no known way to mitigate the harmful effects to air quality caused by the high levels of particulate matter in diesel exhaust, and there is no known way to reduce the harm caused by the spillage of toxic materials that might be transported by these trucks. </p>
<p>Ms Lemay, we know we need a bridge. The current deplorable situation in Lowertown must be fixed. But there are better corridors that don’t route trucks through densely populated established communities.</p>
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		<title>Comment on 10 facts about the consultant&#8217;s selection process by Bob M</title>
		<link>http://www.stopthebridge.org/2009/01/10-facts-about-the-consultants-selection-process/comment-page-1/#comment-2664</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 11:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We must not forget how the Gatineau mayor mentioned (I can&#039;t find the direct quote right now) how they have already spent money developing their side of the Kettle Island corridor.  It is worrisome that the selection phase may have been intended to be a formality.  I also worry that the head of the NCC used to be a planning engineer for the City of Gatineau.  

I am getting so mad about this issue, that I will reiterate my opinion (as technical as city council&#039;s original decision) that we build no bridge for car or trucks.  Let Gatineau work with the City of Ottawa to improve their transit and let the Province of Quebec finish their highway to Montreal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We must not forget how the Gatineau mayor mentioned (I can&#8217;t find the direct quote right now) how they have already spent money developing their side of the Kettle Island corridor.  It is worrisome that the selection phase may have been intended to be a formality.  I also worry that the head of the NCC used to be a planning engineer for the City of Gatineau.  </p>
<p>I am getting so mad about this issue, that I will reiterate my opinion (as technical as city council&#8217;s original decision) that we build no bridge for car or trucks.  Let Gatineau work with the City of Ottawa to improve their transit and let the Province of Quebec finish their highway to Montreal.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Subjectivity masked as unbiased, scientific accuracy by ccredico</title>
		<link>http://www.stopthebridge.org/2009/02/subjectivity-masked-as-unbiased-scientific-accuracy/comment-page-1/#comment-2615</link>
		<dc:creator>ccredico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 20:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Pat - It&#039;s mine.

Christophe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Pat &#8211; It&#8217;s mine.</p>
<p>Christophe</p>
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		<title>Comment on Subjectivity masked as unbiased, scientific accuracy by Pat Dunphy</title>
		<link>http://www.stopthebridge.org/2009/02/subjectivity-masked-as-unbiased-scientific-accuracy/comment-page-1/#comment-2614</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat Dunphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 19:02:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article...thanks. Who posted it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article&#8230;thanks. Who posted it?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Lansdowne Video is here! by Stop The Kettle Island Bridge &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Subjectivity masked as unbiased, scientific accuracy</title>
		<link>http://www.stopthebridge.org/2008/10/lansdowne-video-is-here/comment-page-1/#comment-2568</link>
		<dc:creator>Stop The Kettle Island Bridge &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Subjectivity masked as unbiased, scientific accuracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 16:45:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] my speech at Public Consultation #4 in September.  I thought it was worthwhile resurrecting and publishing it to reinforce some of the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] my speech at Public Consultation #4 in September.  I thought it was worthwhile resurrecting and publishing it to reinforce some of the [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on 10 facts about the consultant&#8217;s selection process by Christine</title>
		<link>http://www.stopthebridge.org/2009/01/10-facts-about-the-consultants-selection-process/comment-page-1/#comment-2503</link>
		<dc:creator>Christine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 16:07:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to John Savage&#039;s comment.  

Yes, the answer to my question is extremely obvious.  I just don&#039;t understand why the people against Kettle Island are the only ones that seem to get it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to John Savage&#8217;s comment.  </p>
<p>Yes, the answer to my question is extremely obvious.  I just don&#8217;t understand why the people against Kettle Island are the only ones that seem to get it!</p>
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		<title>Comment on 10 facts about the consultant&#8217;s selection process by John Savage</title>
		<link>http://www.stopthebridge.org/2009/01/10-facts-about-the-consultants-selection-process/comment-page-1/#comment-2483</link>
		<dc:creator>John Savage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 01:28:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the obvious answer to your question:

One might ask why the NCC and the MTO/MTQ felt compelled to pay the consultants $2.8M (before taxes) to complete a study to determine the best location for a bridge when City Council could make that same decision WITHOUT any information and 18 months sooner?

.. is that this consultants report was designed to favour a Kettle Island bridge from the beginning, by weighting factors in a way that favoured this option.  You are right that their support of this route has biased the findings, especially the way they have chosen to weigh the judging criteria.  

You have also illustrated that when one looks at other factors, including existing urban and environmental plans, a Kettle Island bridge option runs counter to these plans.  In essence, a patch work of plans overlay one another and will not make any sense when stitched together.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the obvious answer to your question:</p>
<p>One might ask why the NCC and the MTO/MTQ felt compelled to pay the consultants $2.8M (before taxes) to complete a study to determine the best location for a bridge when City Council could make that same decision WITHOUT any information and 18 months sooner?</p>
<p>.. is that this consultants report was designed to favour a Kettle Island bridge from the beginning, by weighting factors in a way that favoured this option.  You are right that their support of this route has biased the findings, especially the way they have chosen to weigh the judging criteria.  </p>
<p>You have also illustrated that when one looks at other factors, including existing urban and environmental plans, a Kettle Island bridge option runs counter to these plans.  In essence, a patch work of plans overlay one another and will not make any sense when stitched together.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ramp closures at 417 and St. Laurent Blvd by John Grant</title>
		<link>http://www.stopthebridge.org/2009/01/ramp-closures-at-417-and-st-laurent-blvd/comment-page-1/#comment-2479</link>
		<dc:creator>John Grant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 22:23:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it most curious that the current plan for a Kettle Island/Aviation Pkwy. trucking corridor also calls for the closure of the Hwy 417 westbound exit ramp to St. Laurent Blvd. as well as the St. Laurent Blvd. entrance onto eastbound Hwy 417*. I can only assume that the volume of traffic going to and from a new bridge in this location has been deemed significant enough to cause major traffic flow problems if these access ramps are left operational.

Given that the Federal Government has just placed a bid on a large tract of vacant land at St. Laurent Blvd. and Hwy 417**, with the purported aim of constructing a new federal government office complex, and there will be no access to or from this complex from the east end of Ottawa using Hwy 417, I have to wonder how, with the exception of transitway users, federal government employees who live in Orleans/Cumberland/Rockland etc. and rely on Hwy 417 to commute to work, are supposed to drive to this new complex? It seems to me the government and NCC planners involved in these projects aren&#039;t doing the best job of communicating their needs to each other.

This just goes to show that the overall transportation needs of the city must be considered as a whole, not as individual projects that might conflict with each other. 


* Roche/NCE Interprovincial Crossing Environmental Assessment
(http://www.ncrcrossings.ca/en/2006-029%20kettle%20EN%20-%203.pdf)

** &quot;Public Works makes land bid&quot; The Ottawa Citizen  January 27, 2009
(http://www.ottawacitizen.com/Homes/Public+Works+makes+land/1220595/story.html)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it most curious that the current plan for a Kettle Island/Aviation Pkwy. trucking corridor also calls for the closure of the Hwy 417 westbound exit ramp to St. Laurent Blvd. as well as the St. Laurent Blvd. entrance onto eastbound Hwy 417*. I can only assume that the volume of traffic going to and from a new bridge in this location has been deemed significant enough to cause major traffic flow problems if these access ramps are left operational.</p>
<p>Given that the Federal Government has just placed a bid on a large tract of vacant land at St. Laurent Blvd. and Hwy 417**, with the purported aim of constructing a new federal government office complex, and there will be no access to or from this complex from the east end of Ottawa using Hwy 417, I have to wonder how, with the exception of transitway users, federal government employees who live in Orleans/Cumberland/Rockland etc. and rely on Hwy 417 to commute to work, are supposed to drive to this new complex? It seems to me the government and NCC planners involved in these projects aren&#8217;t doing the best job of communicating their needs to each other.</p>
<p>This just goes to show that the overall transportation needs of the city must be considered as a whole, not as individual projects that might conflict with each other. </p>
<p>* Roche/NCE Interprovincial Crossing Environmental Assessment<br />
(<a href="http://www.ncrcrossings.ca/en/2006-029%20kettle%20EN%20-%203.pdf" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/www.ncrcrossings.ca');" rel="nofollow">http://www.ncrcrossings.ca/en/2006-029%20kettle%20EN%20-%203.pdf</a>)</p>
<p>** &#8220;Public Works makes land bid&#8221; The Ottawa Citizen  January 27, 2009<br />
(<a href="http://www.ottawacitizen.com/Homes/Public+Works+makes+land/1220595/story.html)" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/www.ottawacitizen.com');" rel="nofollow">http://www.ottawacitizen.com/Homes/Public+Works+makes+land/1220595/story.html)</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on 10 facts about the consultant&#8217;s selection process by Gisele</title>
		<link>http://www.stopthebridge.org/2009/01/10-facts-about-the-consultants-selection-process/comment-page-1/#comment-2473</link>
		<dc:creator>Gisele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 16:02:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to Gerry,
First, our aim is to prevent Kettle Island from moving forward into Phase 2 of the EA. 

The Province of Ontario has recommended extending Phase 1 to provide further study of the top three corridors with respect to transit, impact on communities and economic benefit. In so recommending, they are indicating that they do not have sufficient information to go on for choosing the best interprovincial crossing at this time. We hope the NCC will agree with the recommendation this funding partner.

Second, when the study moves forward into Phase 2 (with or without KI)the contract for Phase 2 will be put to tender. NCE-Roche may presumably bid for the contract, but they do not automatically have it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to Gerry,<br />
First, our aim is to prevent Kettle Island from moving forward into Phase 2 of the EA. </p>
<p>The Province of Ontario has recommended extending Phase 1 to provide further study of the top three corridors with respect to transit, impact on communities and economic benefit. In so recommending, they are indicating that they do not have sufficient information to go on for choosing the best interprovincial crossing at this time. We hope the NCC will agree with the recommendation this funding partner.</p>
<p>Second, when the study moves forward into Phase 2 (with or without KI)the contract for Phase 2 will be put to tender. NCE-Roche may presumably bid for the contract, but they do not automatically have it.</p>
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